Circuit Court Rules Against Debt Collector in TCPA Case on Reassigned Cell Number InsideARM

The Seventh Circuit agreed to hear the issue after the district judge certified it for interlocutory review in the plaintiffs’ class action case (which followed the judge’s certification of a class with the plaintiffs as its representatives). The Seventh Circuit’s decision is the first by a federal appellate court on the issue, with the court noting in its opinion that the absence of appellate court authority was a major factor in its decision to hear the appeal.

The Seventh Circuit found no support in the TCPA’s language or “the way the law understands consent” for the debt collector’s argument that the court should equate the consent of the “called party” with the consent of the call’s “intended recipient.” In addition, the court was unmoved by the debt collector’s argument that the plaintiffs’ reading of “called party” would make the use of autodialers more risky and thereby increase the cost of debt collection, resulting in higher prices overall. As support for its argument, the debt collector had noted the population’s shift from landline to cell phone use and the portability of phone numbers (such that numbers previously used to reach landline phones can result in cell phone calls).

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If you're being harassed or sued for debt, you need to know your rights you can get a copy of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act here ...

Can a debt collector physically show up to your home to collect on a home equity mortgage?

I was a collector of unsecured debt for years ( I was the guy that hounds you on the phone :(). I know the FTC regulates debt collection through the Federal Debt Collectors Practices Act. I remember my boss telling me about the Good Ol' Days when he would go to peoples homes and actually reclaim furniture, pianos etc. I am looking for specifics. Thanks in advance!


In your case, I approve of it.


No. These guys bluff better than poker players or hustlers in a pool hall. You don't owe anything to the debt collector. You owe the retailer or merchant. The retailer/merchant sold your debt to the collector for pennies and now the debt collector is trying to collect from you so they can make a profit for the buy off the retailer you are dissing.
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Is this a violation of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

A debt collector called my wife's mother, ex-step-father, and grandmother and told them he needed to contact her because there were fraudulent charges made on her credit card. Her mother called BS on the guy and took his information, then gave it to my wife.
Is this false representation under Section 807 of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?


The practice you describe would seem to be forbidden by 15 U.S.C. 1692e(10): "The use of any false representation or deceptive means to collect or attempt to collect any debt or to obtain information concerning a consumer."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode15/usc_sec_15_00001692---e000-.html

Can the "statute of limitations" defense apply to original creditors? (not just third-party debt collectors?)

I know the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act only applies to third-party debt collectors, but can I still use the statute of limitations defense to tell an original creditor that they are wasting their time trying to collect an old debt?


Bella is correct.

The FDCA is something completely differant then the Statute of Limitations laws.

FDCA only specifies how a creditor can collect a debt. The SOL states the length of time they have to legally collect, and it applies to your debt. NOT to who is collecting it.


Therefore, you can send a letter to this creditor and point out that since the SOL has expired, they are only wasting their time harrassing you.

But as you note, the FDCA only applies to collection agents, attorneys, and 3rd party collectors. The original creditor can continue to harrass you forever. They just can't try to sue you, because it won't go anywhere. If you have an extremely abusive creditor bothering you, it may require a lawsuit to stop the harrassment.


Yes the SOL applies to the debt regardless of who owns the debt. Even if the debt is outside the SOL, the creditor does not have to stop trying to collect the debt.


Yes.

Dear original creditor,

Cease and desist all contact with me.

Thanks a bunch Joe Schmoe.

I am a guarantor being threatend with debt collectors?

acted as guarantor for family member - who has missed two payments - being threatened with debt collectors by loan company - don't they have to try debt collecting from the person with the loan first? all they have done is phoned them once ad sent them one letter!! anyone know the legal position on this?


Unfortunately you are just as liable as your family member. That is what the loan papers said that you signed. You agreed to cover the payment if you family member did not. That is why I will never co-sign a loan application. Not everyone is as Honourable as we would hope. I'm sorry. Maybe a lawyer could give you advice. Good luck.


Happened to me too. You are legally liable for the debt.


The loan company will pursue the person with the money. If that's you I'm afraid you'll have to pay. however, you can pursue the borrower separately, through the courts if necessary. It may be cheaper for you to settle the debt outright than to pay by instalments (most companies give a rebate for early settlement) before you go after your family member.


The legal position is as follows; You did not state if you are a co-signer or a co-maker, if you are a co-maker you are jointly responsible for the debt. If you are a co-signer you are responsible only if the primary buyer defaults on the loan.

This is why you should never, never, never co-sign for anyone unless you are ready, able and willing to make the payments yourself.


You are possibly in the muck, see the citizens advice bureau urgently!


Any sensible Bank will go after the person who is MOST LIKELY TO PAY.

Why chase some-one with poor Credit Rating (who hardly cares about another default) when they can chase some-one with a higher rating and thus a LOT MORE TO LOOSE ?


They are hunting the easy target, you! Get advice from the citizens advice bureau.


It's name & same time. A family gathering is called for & the defaulter confronted.

Are debt collectors ................??

dikheads? Is there really any point in dealing with them to resolve a debt. Most people make bad choices when their young as far their credit. They are not thinking about the future affect of what they're doing and how they will need their credit later. I hate collectors who act like diks.... but anyway should I try to settle my small lil debt with a collction agency or just let it go for another 2 years I have left??


So, llwhateverll, how long have you been a collection agent?

Trust me, most are dicks. I've been working with a lot of folks trying to get out of debt, and I've dealt with many of them. Rarely do I find any that give a damn about the consumer. They are all deadbeats to them. It doesn't matter if they have lost their job, had a medical emergency, or some other disaster in their life. It's always pay up or else.

To answer your question, whether you ignore the debt depends on a couple of things. If the debt is large (over $2k) then they may pursue it in court before the statute of limitations runs out. If they have an office close to where you live you can count on it. But they usually don't want to hire an outside attorney or agency to take you to court, because it cuts into their profits. So you just gamble on them suing you. If they do, just pay the bill before the court case comes up.

They have already trashed your credit score for the past 5 years, you did your "time".


let it go. they only paid about10 cents on the dollar for it anyway


Pay it off as soon as you can, it may be small but will put a BIG mark on your credit score. I've learned the hard way.


funny you asked this question in May 2006 I purchased a set of book from Books For Children on offer for £9.99. for our son's 5th Birthday. I called them twice to send the bill so I could pay it each and every time I was told its in the post. but got no bill or anything coming thru the post, however on 30th July I get summons from a debt collecting agency for £103 for not responding to their bills which they never sent in the first place. Apparently nowadays many companies do exactly this to get more money out of people like myself. But I am no fool I still have my phone bill and the names of the people whom I spoke have the phone bills to show them that I have called


Debt collectors earn minimum wage and then receive bonuses on resolved debt. They need this bonus; and are often mad at the world. They frequently have less than pretty credit histories themselves...and there is a high turn-over. They go to ugly school to learn and refine their technique...and make you feel like a very bad person for making a mistake. This helps them to feel better, and gets the heat off of them. They go home at night and hate their jobs and become true cynics...and they have never learned people skills: "You attract more flies with honey." Until they get this...there is no hope...and so the world continues. Take care of the bill when you are ready...and not until then...as it is already on your credit history. When you do, make the provision that it be removed immediately.


Don't wait to pay them off, believe me, it makes it worse. Although debt collectors are big pricks, they can be reasonable if you explain your situation. Tell them you want to get this matter resolved as much as they do, and if they can work with you, you both can be sure your debt gets resolved. I suggest asking for a settlement at a lower amount and paying it off, or requesting a payment schedule. The longer you avoid it, the more agressive the become, and the worse it makes your credit. Once you establish a payment schedule it gets reported to your credit report. Trust me, I'm now just getting all my debt paid off-good luck!


Some good answeres and some bad.

Debt collectors don't buy debt, they don't work for minimum wage and most are only rude when they have to deal with people like you.

Try being a civilized person and I bet they will treat you that way. But from the sounds of it you probably call them being a total "dikhead" yourself so that is how they treat you.

Try treating people with respect and that is how they will treat you.

Robinson Way Debt Collectors. Is this a scam, or should I be concerned?

I received a letter this week, completely out of the blue, a 'Final Demand for Payment' from Robinson Way, debt collectors.

The demand is for payment of £464.94 to Ex Freemans and threatens court action if I do not pay (or make arrangements to pay) the balance by return.

Neither myself nor anyone in my household has ever ordered goods or had any dealings whatsoever with Freemans. This debt, if it exists, is not mine.

Can anyone advise me on how best to respond to Robinson Way? I have read on other forums that they are quite persistent in their methods of debt recovery and people have complained of 'harassment'.

Should I write to them, with a copy of the letter to Freemans, both by recorded delivery? If so, what should I put in the letter?

Can anybody point me towards template letters for this sort of thing which I might find on the Internet? Or can anyone tell me which Act or which sections of an Act I should quote when writing?

Thank you for reading this


Whatever you do, don't pay the debt or acknowledge it. www.nationaldebtline.co.uk has a list of template letters you can download and send off - make sure you quote the 1974 Consumer Credit Act.
There are a couple of other agencies that are doing the same to people who don't owe them money. They are scum to put it mildly! Good luck.

im in debt with natwest bank its been on going for 7 years would the statue of limations now apply?

I have never reply to any of there letters from the debt collectors acting on there behalf , even though im still reciving written letters would the debt more a less be statue barred now? please advise


Likely, but it depends on your state. Do a search for "statute of limitations on written contracts in YOUR STATE" to see if it has expired. If so, then you have no legal responsibility to pay.

You can request that they stop contacting you regarding an expired debt.

I have a outstanding debt owned to natwest bank its been going for 7 years as theres been no contact am i free

From The Debt , I Still recive letters from differnet debt collectors acting on behalf of natwest they obtained my new address via the land regiesty , as i have never replyed to any letters from them would that now mean they can'nt use the legal system to recover the money ?
What The Statue Of Limations Act Now Apply Whic h means by law the collection company can no longer recover the debt usin legal methods .?


I'm not sure you can ever escape the debt fully, best thing is just to get in touch with them to arraneg payment if u can! Debts are easy to escape, CCJ's are not.

Can a person in NC sue their former employer for giving out personal contact info to a debt collector?

I know about The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
15 U.S.C. § 1792; and that it is illegal for the agency to contact an employer, but I think they can get away with doing it once?

how to stop Debt collectors?

For one debt I owe approx 500$, last month I sent in 500$ wich was half my balance. I still have no income, and have told them that. What bothers me is the week after I sent in the 500 they called me back asking me to send in more. I said I cant. Then I was asked how I came up with the 500 i sent in, I told them I borrowed it. They asked me to borrow more from someone, I said "how about you, will you loan me 500" to my suprise he said no..

anyhow he keeps aking how I come up with money to eat pay cell phone etc..etc.. fnally i get annoyed my him and say "the tooth ferry paid my phone bill" and "a leprechaun leaves me just enough gold to pay for food".

I tell him to stop harassing me by phone and only contact me by mail. he says he has the right by law to call me by phone.. By reading over the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act i believe i do have the right to tell him to stop calling..


You need to come up with a plan to pay this back. They generally will get off your back if you have a plan that they can work with. For example, if you can work in your neighborhood mowing lawns every weekend at $10 per lawn, and do 10 lawns -- that wll be $100 per week. Take out expenses of gas and food for the day, and you can send them $75 per week. You will have the debt paid back in 10 weeks, with interest, and then they can stop calling you.

As to the Fair Debt Collection Practices -- you can force them to stop calling you, and they can take you to court for not paying your debt. If you don't want a judgement, make appropriate arrangements to pay back the debt.

Then work through it and complete the steps you proposed.

Much as we want to complain about debt collectors, they are only doing their job. Most would rather not have to give you a call a second time. If you make arrangements and KEEP them, they won't usually bother them.

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